're talking about, kiki, though, is returning to clinton tax rates, basically, right? >> what we're talking about -- >> that's the armageddon that we're talking about is returning to clinton -- >> you're not rising above now. now you sound a cliff jumper now, known. which are you? >> all i'm saying is that -- >> here's the deal -- >> to deal with these issues, we can deal with them in between christmas specials. >> the only problem is you're returning to president clinton tax rates, you're not returning to president clinton spending. and you have $16 trillion in debt. all of which, 60% of it matures in the next three years. so this is -- this is so much more of a precarious position, and -- >> so that should have a less impact. >> here's what this requires -- >> -- on the markets and on the economy. >> here's what this requires, guys, ultimately. this president doesn't ever have to run for election again, for anything. right? what this requires are a group of men and women on capitol hill who will stand up and say, i'm going to go head, and i'm going to put my own political future at risk,